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#1 Lonestar

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 08:17 PM

Hi Paul!
Some last wishes for future versions of DCG!
As some new (modded) maps are getting larger, DCG meets with some mission types sometimes his limits!
During a recent created campaign for an approximately 450 km wide map, I noticed that the patrol time for the defenders over a target were often not long enough to meet the enemy bomber formation later!
This time difference was up to half an hour after the time indication of the waypoints in FMB!
In this case, I have created only offmap airfields for one side to shorten the flight time, but it would be better if you could use the airfields of the map!
Because sometimes the way back waypoints runs not exactly toward the own front area when you have offmap airfields! Has apparently something to do with the angle of the offmap airfield to the target location!?
My suggestion would be that DCG could generate, by larger settings of "action radius" values, more interception missions or to extend the patrol time for the defenders over the target (possibly up to an hour)! Also a timetable command to change that would be a suggestion!
However, I also noticed that the interception waypoints are often inaccurate, the greater the distance to the enemy flights is!
Have often experienced that the two groups are past each other only a few kilometers, without being able to see it each other!
The interception waypoints should be reworked again!
As I said, all of this applies mainly for modded maps, but the new Solomons map is meanwhile also a bit larger then the older maps of IL-2!
Thanks for your time!

#2 Lowengrin

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 05:19 AM

Yeah, I could see how the larger maps would cause more issues with patrols and even worse with interceptions. It's difficult to calculate interception points given speed (level vs climbing) and distance so the further the distance, the less accurate it becomes. But frankly, interceptions probably shouldn't be happening on really large maps unless the bombers begin in the air and near the interceptors airfield (or some other defended place with communications to the airfield).

Anyway, I'll give it some thought.



#3 Lonestar

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 01:39 AM

Yes, I can imagine that it is hard to calculate!
And I think, its not unrealistic for WWII times, that the interception propability was lower the greater the distance was!
But for gameplay reasons, it can be frustating, especially for long flight times!
As far as I have observed is the length of the waypoint to the target flight almost always right!
Only the direction is often only a few kilometers next to the waypoint from the target!
Perhaps the interceptors should fly, from a certain distance, a high angle zig zag course to increase the probability of interception?!

I personally edit every DCG mission before I fly (mainly for ship attack and interception missions) and I have learned a few tricks for me, so that I do not need the FMB!
However, some changes would take a little too long with every new mission!



#4 Lowengrin

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 12:33 AM

If you'd like to email me the details of your tricks, I might be able to tweak DCG accordingly. :)

#5 Lonestar

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 07:07 PM

Ok, mail sent!

#6 Lowengrin

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 10:43 PM

Has 4.12 had any impact?

#7 Lonestar

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 04:44 PM

Sorry, I am a bit busy, have currently 4.12 not installed! Mail the demo mission in the next days!
Maybe someone else can test whether the new 4.12 AI can see enemy planes from a larger distance (during intercept missions)?
Thanks!

#8 JG7_X_Man

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Posted 07 March 2016 - 09:51 PM

Hi Paul! Just wondering if you have had the chance to review this issue? I guess since you don't use mods there is no way for you to test?



#9 Lowengrin

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Posted 08 March 2016 - 06:35 AM

That's right.  There's no way for me to test maps larger than what the latest official patch has.



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Posted 10 March 2016 - 07:41 PM

...any thing I can do?  ;)



#11 Lowengrin

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Posted 11 March 2016 - 07:09 PM

I'd been working on a campaign for the Solomon Island map that now comes with the official patches.  Is that map large enough to test on...?



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Posted 12 March 2016 - 02:27 AM

Oh yeah it is!



#13 Lowengrin

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Posted 12 March 2016 - 05:27 AM

:)



#14 Lowengrin

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Posted 19 March 2016 - 05:46 PM

So I've been tweaking and testing using the Solomon Island map without much success so far.  For long missions, I need to make some bigger changes.



#15 JG7_X_Man

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 05:47 PM

So I've been tweaking and testing using the Solomon Island map without much success so far.  For long missions, I need to make some bigger changes.

 

Thanks for the update! What are you experiencing exactly? Is there a max distance from the front where routes don't intersect at the same time with the enemy formations?



#16 Lowengrin

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 02:47 AM

No, it has more to do with the waypoint generation.  An interception, for example, can completely miss it's intended target due to the distance between it's path and the enemies path. 

 

I have been doing some major changes, particular for flights starting in the air (and units escort and intercepting them).  I may post a beta soon, but I'd only recommend using it if you intend to test large maps.  If you play on small maps, I suggest sticking with the last beta.  In fact, I may make the last beta the last build of 3.48.



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Posted 23 March 2016 - 03:07 PM

Wow! As engaging the enemy is the most important part of the mission, it's kinda-of-a big deal.  I intend to test larger maps so I will be on the lookout for the 3.49  :D  



#18 Lowengrin

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Posted 24 March 2016 - 01:43 AM

I should have the beta up either later tonight or sometime tomorrow.



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Posted 24 March 2016 - 01:21 PM

This is an exciting development as far as I am concerned. I have a feeling that Lonestar, sniperton Slink, vonofterdingen, and the other DCG campaign makers will like this version too, hell - maybe even Tailspin and Scharnhorst will come out of retirement! ;) We have several maps new PTO, ETO and MTO maps that come with CUP and HSFX which are begging for some action. If I am not mistaken one map is actually conducive for Operation Tidal Wave ('43 Bombing Raid on Ploesti) - been looking forward to doing virtual battle with against by childhood idols (the RedTails).

 

--- Oh and Jasta V, the grandfather of all DCG missions!






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