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#1 idefix44

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Posted 12 July 2014 - 05:32 PM

Version: IL2 DCG 3.48b9 and may be earlier versions

Mode: Dogfight

 

Not really a bug but...

 

Each mission, armor columns with the @Future attribute spawn at locations, mainly with the _Supply_Depot attribute.

This is a time-related mistake. Furthermore they are part of the combat being able to destroy the columns attacking the location where they spawned...

How is't possible? they aren't supposed to exist at this date.

 

Have a good day.

 

 



#2 Lowengrin

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Posted 13 July 2014 - 10:53 PM

How can I have a good day reading about bugs.  ;)



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Posted 14 July 2014 - 06:33 AM

Oh, sorry...

 

A little other one:

It seems that in the IL2 DCG 3.48b9 and may be earlier versions, Dogfight mode, the IL-4 (IL_4_IL4) isn't flyable.

Now back to Armor.

From the armor.dcg file:

4-BT7             1 193901 194406 4-T34_85         01/02
...

4-T34_85        1 194403 194612 none                07/07

And:

4-PzIVF2         2 194208 194408 4-PzIVJ             06/06
4-PzIVJ            2 194306 194504 4-PzVA             06/06
4-PzVA            2 194307 194612 none                 09/09

 

The campaign date is 06/01/1943 (mm/dd/yyyy).

Red side, I plan T34_85 armor columns and I get BT7 columns. Ok.

Blue side, I plan PzVA armor columns and I get @Future. Why not PzIVJ or PzIVF2?

 

Have a good day. :P



#4 Lowengrin

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 03:11 AM

:unsure:

 

I'm as confused about the armor thing as you are. 



#5 Lowengrin

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 04:05 AM

idefix44, see the new beta.  If the problems persist, come back here and ruin my day.  :P



#6 idefix44

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 12:31 AM

Using il2dcg.exe 3.48b10.

Updated class.dcg too.

 

1- Is IL4-IL4 flyable now?

 

2- Mission date: 1943 july, the 18th.

PzIVJ columns aren't yet upgraded to PzVA. Normal or not?

 

:rolleyes:



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Posted 24 July 2014 - 05:02 AM

I can remember if I did it, but you can make the IL4 flyable on the Aircraft Class Setting panel....

 

Columns won't upgrade immediately.  In fact, if I remember correctly, they won't upgrade unless they are spawning.



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Posted 25 July 2014 - 05:10 PM

Sir,

I use the new beta (3.48b10). The problems persist so I come back here and ruin your day. :(

 

The mission date: 25/08/1943.

Here the 12_Chief and 15_Chief columns spawn without being upgraded...

 

My columns.dcg file:

12_Chief Armor.4-PzIVJ 2 @Nitra_Supply_Depot $4-PzVA_12 ~L
13_Chief Armor.4-PzIVJ 2 @Batovce $4-PzVA_13 ~C
14_Chief Armor.4-PzIVJ 2 @Vajka_nad_Zitavou $4-PzVA_14 ~A
15_Chief Armor.4-PzIVJ 2 @Sintava_Supply_Depot $4-PzVA_15 ~L
16_Chief Armor.2-MarderIII 2 @Vajka_nad_Zitavou $4-Hetzer_16 ~A
17_Chief Armor.1-MarderIII 2 @Levice_Supply_Depot $4-Hetzer_17 ~R
18_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnC 2 @Dolne_Zelenice $GermanyCarsColumnC_18 ~A
19_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnC 2 @Dycka $GermanyCarsColumnC_19 ~A
20_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnC 2 @Velke_Kosmalovce $GermanyCarsColumnC_20 ~A
21_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnC 2 @Nitra_Supply_Depot $GermanyCarsColumnC_21 ~L
22_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnC 2 @NemceG3 $GermanyCarsColumnC_22 ~A
23_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnC 2 @Orovnica $GermanyCarsColumnC_23 ~R
24_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnC 2 @Cifary $GermanyCarsColumnC_24 ~A
25_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnC 2 @Kereskeny $GermanyCarsColumnC_25 ~A
26_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnC 2 @Kalna $GermanyCarsColumnC_26 ~A
27_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnC 2 @Orovnica $GermanyCarsColumnC_27 ~R
28_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnB 2 @Hlohovec $GermanyCarsColumnB_28 ~A
29_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnB 2 @Velke_Janikovce $GermanyCarsColumnB_29 ~A
30_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnB 2 @Dolne_Krskany $GermanyCarsColumnB_30 ~A
31_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnB 2 @Hlohovec $GermanyCarsColumnB_31 ~C
32_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnB 2 @Madunice $GermanyCarsColumnB_32 ~A
33_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnB 2 @Bojnicky $GermanyCarsColumnB_33 ~A
34_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnB 2 @Sintava_Supply_Depot $GermanyCarsColumnB_34 ~L
35_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnB 2 @Piestany $GermanyCarsColumnB_35 ~A
36_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnB 2 @Nitra_Supply_Depot $GermanyCarsColumnB_36 ~L
37_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnB 2 @Hlohovec $GermanyCarsColumnB_37 ~C
1_Chief Vehicles.OpelBlitzMaultierAA 2 @Nitra_Supply_Depot $OpelBlitzMaultierAA_1 ~L
2_Chief Vehicles.OpelBlitzMaultierAA 2 @Bojnicky $OpelBlitzMaultierAA_2 ~A
3_Chief Vehicles.OpelBlitzMaultierAA 2 @Velke_Vozokany $OpelBlitzMaultierAA_3 ~A
4_Chief Vehicles.OpelBlitzMaultierAA 2 @Neved $OpelBlitzMaultierAA_4 ~R
5_Chief Vehicles.OpelBlitzMaultierAA 2 @Nitra_Supply_Depot $OpelBlitzMaultierAA_5 ~L
6_Chief Vehicles.DemagFlak 2 @Hostovce $DemagFlak_6 ~C
7_Chief Vehicles.DemagFlak 2 @Drahovce $DemagFlak_7 ~A
8_Chief Vehicles.DemagFlak 2 @Branc $DemagFlak_8 ~A
9_Chief Vehicles.DemagFlak 2 @Branc $DemagFlak_9 ~A
10_Chief Vehicles.DemagFlak 2 @Branc_Ferry $DemagFlak_10 ~A
52_Chief Armor.4-BT7 1 @Sarluhy $4-T34_85_52 ~A
53_Chief Armor.4-BT7 1 @Cermany $4-T34_85_53 ~A
54_Chief Armor.4-BT7 1 @Piestany_Supply_Depot $4-T34_85_54 ~L
55_Chief Armor.1-BT7 1 @Velke_Kostolany $4-T34_85_55 ~A
56_Chief Armor.4-BT7 1 @Trakovice $4-T34_85_56 ~A
57_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnD 1 @Topolcany_Supply_Depot $RussiaCarsColumnD_57 ~L
58_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnD 1 @Pastuchov $RussiaCarsColumnD_58 ~A
59_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnD 1 @Cabradsky_Vrbovok $RussiaCarsColumnD_59 ~A
60_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnD 1 @Brunovce $RussiaCarsColumnD_60 ~A
61_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnD 1 @Sarluzky $RussiaCarsColumnD_61 ~A
62_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnD 1 @Almas $RussiaCarsColumnD_62 ~A
63_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnD 1 @Kapince $RussiaCarsColumnD_63 ~A
64_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnD 1 @Kereskeny $RussiaCarsColumnD_64 ~C
65_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnD 1 @Sarluhy $RussiaCarsColumnD_65 ~A
66_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnD 1 @Merasice $RussiaCarsColumnD_66 ~A
67_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnD 1 @Selce $RussiaCarsColumnD_67 ~A
68_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnD 1 @Badan $RussiaCarsColumnD_68 ~A
69_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnB 1 @Ladzany $RussiaCarsColumnB_69 ~R
70_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnB 1 @Zavar $RussiaCarsColumnB_70 ~A
71_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnB 1 @Mlynarce_Ferry $RussiaCarsColumnB_71 ~R
72_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnB 1 @Dubrava $RussiaCarsColumnB_72 ~A
73_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnB 1 @Kamanova $RussiaCarsColumnB_73 ~A
74_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnB 1 @Beluj $RussiaCarsColumnB_74 ~A
75_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnB 1 @Piestany_Supply_Depot $RussiaCarsColumnB_75 ~L
76_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnB 1 @Zavar $RussiaCarsColumnB_76 ~A
77_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnB 1 @Brunovce $RussiaCarsColumnB_77 ~A
78_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnB 1 @Topolcany_Supply_Depot $RussiaCarsColumnB_78 ~L
79_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnB 1 @Trakovice $RussiaCarsColumnB_79 ~A
80_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnB 1 @Hlohovec $RussiaCarsColumnB_80 ~C
38_Chief Vehicles.ZIS5_AA 1 @Piestany_Supply_Depot $ZIS5_AA_38 ~L
39_Chief Vehicles.ZIS5_AA 1 @Dolne_Rykyncice $ZIS5_AA_39 ~A
40_Chief Vehicles.ZIS5_AA 1 @Hontnadas $ZIS5_AA_40 ~A
41_Chief Vehicles.ZIS5_AA 1 @Mlynarce_Ferry $ZIS5_AA_41 ~R
42_Chief Vehicles.ZIS5_AA 1 @Velke_Chlievany $ZIS5_AA_42 ~A
43_Chief Vehicles.ZIS5_AA 1 @Brodany $ZIS5_AA_43 ~A
44_Chief Vehicles.MaximeGAZ 1 @Piestany_Supply_Depot $MaximeGAZ_44 ~L
45_Chief Vehicles.MaximeGAZ 1 @Topolcany_Supply_Depot $MaximeGAZ_45 ~L
46_Chief Vehicles.MaximeGAZ 1 @Sv_Kriz_nad_Hronom $MaximeGAZ_46 ~A
47_Chief Vehicles.MaximeGAZ 1 @Horna_Streda $MaximeGAZ_47 ~A
48_Chief Vehicles.MaximeGAZ 1 @Piestany $MaximeGAZ_48 ~C
49_Chief Vehicles.MaximeGAZ 1 @Obsolovce $MaximeGAZ_49 ~A
81_Chief Trains.Germany_CargoTrain/AA 2 @Piestany_Station $Germany_CargoTrain/AA_81 ~A
82_Chief Trains.Germany_CargoTrain/AA 2 @Blank $Germany_CargoTrain/AA_82 ~X
83_Chief Trains.Germany_CargoTrain/AA 2 @Blank $Germany_CargoTrain/AA_83 ~X
84_Chief Trains.USSR_CargoTrain/AA 1 @Krupina_Station $USSR_CargoTrain/AA_84 ~A
85_Chief Trains.USSR_CargoTrain/AA 1 @Hontianske_Tesary_Station $USSR_CargoTrain/AA_85 ~A
86_Chief Trains.USSR_CargoTrain/AA 1 @Zvolen_Station $USSR_CargoTrain/AA_86 ~A
 



#9 Lowengrin

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 05:10 AM

Armour won't upgrade unless it's made obsolete so don't look at the new armours start date but the current one's end date.  :)



#10 idefix44

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 10:18 AM

Ok.

Thanks.



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Posted 27 July 2014 - 09:42 PM

From IL2 DCG Campaign Info v3.21.doc

DCG CAMPAIGN INFORMATION  (v3.21)

(Compiled by Tailspin)

 

UNIT UPGRADES
ARMOR UNITS (ARMOR.DCG)
DCG will look at the tanks (only the tanks) and determine if they were available at a specific point in time (doesn't matter what campaign or map in the campaign).  If you have the tank downgrade option “unchecked”, tanks will be left out of the mission if they not available for the current mission date.  If you “check” the tank downgrade option, DCG can substitute tanks with another tank (as per the armor.dcg file) if the current tank is not available for the date.  Doing so removes the historical flow of the campaign in way to total ground force power so the Russian could win Smolensk right away in 1941.  Both moving and stationary tanks get upgraded.  
Per Paul, an armor unit will almost always upgrade based on the upgrade tank's start date and not the end date of the current tank type.
Try not to change the combination of tank units that I put on each map.  I put the combinations of units that you see based on numerous testing battles between the various tank types to see who would win against whom.  I believe I have good combination for both game play and frame rates.
 

 

I think that a lot of documentation about IL2 DCG is wrong...

this is disturbing. :wacko:



#12 Nephris

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Posted 05 August 2014 - 10:44 AM

Buddy dont forget that Tailspin wrote his Tutorial 6 or 8 yrs ago, by a different DCG version.

A lot of stuff changed in the meantime.

Basically it is a red line to orientate and to to help you test and learn on your own.

Paul gave a working explanation, how armor updates work right now.

 

 

But maybe you could create an updated DCG Tutorial for newcomers?



#13 idefix44

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Posted 05 August 2014 - 09:42 PM

But maybe you could create an updated DCG Tutorial for newcomers?

 

Yes I could. But I don't want to do it... :lol:

 

You know, if I can't use PzVA, I use PzIVJ as well. :P

 

Have a good day. :rolleyes:



#14 Lowengrin

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 05:09 AM

As Nephris said, Tailspin wrote that tutorial many years ago.  Some things have changed since then (and a few things he got wrong at the time...but not his fault because I missed them when I reviewed the document).  :rolleyes:



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Posted 13 August 2014 - 06:27 AM

No problem Sir.

My mates and me enjoy IL2 DCG, in Dogfight mode, every day.

We are playing a full fictionnal campaign, using the Slovakia map, wich is still a work in progress.

The only thing I want is to use the IL2 DCG features as well as possible and your answers (Lowengrin and other veteran users) always help me.

 

Thanks to all.



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Posted 08 October 2014 - 08:31 PM

It seems that Armor aren't yet upgraded...

 

Mode Dogfight.

Mission date is 06/13/1944.

Extract from the columns.dcg file:

52_Chief Armor.4-BT7 1 @Levice_Supply_Depot $4-T34_85_52 ~L
53_Chief Armor.4-BT7 1 @Skacany $4-T34_85_53 ~A
54_Chief Armor.2-BT7 1 @Cifary $4-T34_85_54 ~A
55_Chief Armor.4-BT7 1 @Sarluzky $4-T34_85_55 ~A
56_Chief Armor.4-BT7 1 @Nove_Mesto_nad_Vahom_Supply_Depot $4-T34_85_56 ~L
 

The 52_Chief column isn't upgraded from 4-BT7 to 4-T34_85 when spawning after destruction.

The 56_Chief column isn't upgraded from 4-BT7 to 4-T34_85 when spawning after destruction.

 

From the armor.dcg file:

4-BT7             1 193901 194406 4-T34_85         01/02
...

4-T34_85        1 194403 194612 none                07/07

 

Sorry if I ruin your day again (but holidays are over isn't it :rolleyes: )



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Posted 09 October 2014 - 01:34 AM

Tried

4-BT7             1 193901 194405 4-T34_85         01/02

instead?

 

Upgrading tanks work fine in our campaigns in complete development chains.

So i dont think there is an issue with DCG.



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Posted 09 October 2014 - 06:27 PM

Ok.

 

First of all, thanks to Nephris. It works now.

 

I've made the change in the armor.dcg file:

4-BT7             1 193901 194405 4-T34_85         01/02

 

Here's the debrief after the 06/20/1944 mission

 

Debrief:
 
Mission results:
\nOther News:
A BT7 unit was destroyed near Telince (F-1).
A PzIVJ unit was destroyed near Telince (F-1).
A BT7 unit was destroyed near Nitra Power Plant (D-2).
A Soviet truck convoy was destroyed near Telince (F-1).
An IS2 unit was destroyed near Telince (F-1).
A Bf-110G-2 was shot down.
A Soviet truck convoy was destroyed near Velky Dur (F-1).
A La-5FN was shot down.
A La-5FN was shot down.
A Bf-110G-2 was shot down.
A Bf-110G-2 was shot down.
A Bf-110G-2 was shot down.
A Soviet truck convoy was destroyed near Velky Dur (F-1).
A Soviet truck convoy was destroyed near Velky Dur (F-1).
A Soviet truck convoy was destroyed near Velky Dur (F-1).
A Ju-87G-1 was shot down.
An IL-2 Type 3M was shot down.
A La-5 was shot down.
A Bf-109G-6/AS was shot down.
A Soviet truck convoy was destroyed near Kalna (G-1).
A Ju-87G-1 was shot down.
 

And extract from the columns.dcg file:

 

52_Chief Armor.4-BT7 1 @Velky_Dur $4-T34_85_52 ~A
53_Chief Armor.4-BT7 1 @Horne_Chlebany $4-T34_85_53 ~A
54_Chief Armor.4-T34_85 1 @Levice_Supply_Depot $4-T34_85_54 ~L
55_Chief Armor.4-T34_85 1 @Topolcany_Supply_Depot $4-T34_85_55 ~L
56_Chief Armor.4-BT7 1 @Borovce $4-T34_85_56 ~A

The 2 bolded columns respawn upgraded.So it works now.

 

I use the IL2 DCG 3.48b10 version and the stock armor.dcg file, so I think that the problem is with IL2 DCG (somewhere in the package. Exe file or other data file).

 

Change the BT7 line with 194405 for 194406, tried playing your own campaign and backup...

 

Thanks again.

 

 

 



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Posted 10 October 2014 - 03:01 AM

I'm guessing that the code that spawns armor at Supply_Depot locations fails to check to see if the armor is available.  :wacko:



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Posted 10 October 2014 - 04:23 AM

12_Chief Armor.4-PzIVJ 2 @Nitra_Supply_Depot $4-PzVA_12 ~L
13_Chief Armor.4-PzIVJ 2 @Batovce $4-PzVA_13 ~C
14_Chief Armor.4-PzIVJ 2 @Vajka_nad_Zitavou $4-PzVA_14 ~A
15_Chief Armor.4-PzIVJ 2 @Sintava_Supply_Depot $4-PzVA_15 ~L
16_Chief Armor.2-MarderIII 2 @Vajka_nad_Zitavou $4-Hetzer_16 ~A
17_Chief Armor.1-MarderIII 2 @Levice_Supply_Depot $4-Hetzer_17 ~R

 

What's about PzIVJ? will they upgrade in April 1945?

4-PzIVJ           2 194306 194504 4-PzVA            06/06

 

Now, from my master:

[Chiefs]
  12_Chief Armor.4-PzIVJ 2
  13_Chief Armor.4-PzIVJ 2
  14_Chief Armor.4-PzIVJ 2
  15_Chief Armor.4-PzIVJ 2
  16_Chief Armor.3-StuGIIIG 2
  17_Chief Armor.3-StuGIIIG 2
 

16_Chief and 17_Chief start (06/01/1943, 1st of June) with 3-Hetzer

They upgraded to 3-StuGIIIG, 3-StuGIV and now they're 3-MarderIII.

 

3-Hetzer          2 194406 194504 3-Jagdpanther     03/06
3-StuGIIIG        2 194003 194403 3-StuGIV          04/06
3-StuGIV          2 194401 194504 3-Hetzer          04/07
3-MarderIII       2 194210 194406 3-StuGIV          03/03
3-Ferdinand       2 194305 194501 3-Jagdpanther     05/08
3-Jagdpanther     2 194401 194612 none              06/10
 

I think that something is strange in Armorland... :huh:

 

Have a good day. :rolleyes:

 

What the xx/yy are they for at each end of line???






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