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#1 Barton

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Posted 04 April 2017 - 01:17 AM

My "Nub Tutorial" for Rise of Flight has far and away the most views on my channel and the defensive maneuvers video was well received so I was thinking about expanding in this area.  What topic or aircraft would you like covered?  Granted I know jack about two engine bombers in RoF I'd say anything regarding them is off the table.  

 

I'm also considering going back to BoX.  Again.  For two reasons: it has a big audience (probably the largest of all combat sims at the moment) and if I can point out what isn't right and how it isn't right to help the Devs and the game succeed it would be worth it.

 

What I have readily available:

DCS: Fw-190D9, P-51, F-5E, Mig-21bis.  I haven't flown the MiG or F5 in a while and still don't understand all of the systems but I can learn fairly quickly (they're simple).

RoF: Everything but multi engine aircraft.

CloD: I have flown and am proficient in all single engine aircraft with the exception of the G50.  I am also fairly good in the Stuka and 110.  I can fly the Ju-88 but I have never bombed with it.  I have yet to try the Allied and Italian bombers.


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#2 Luftritter

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Posted 04 April 2017 - 02:34 PM

So....you're out of Bloody April?


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Posted 04 April 2017 - 06:12 PM

I've flown the 111 in CLoD, and did a bombing mission, hitting my target, but its like only the 2nd time I've ever flown the plane.  The 88 in CLoD, I've flown 4 or 5 times, but I only ever dive bomb with it, so I dont know about its level bombing.  Funny, I can hit targets bombing in the 111, 88, 87 and 110, in CLoD, but cant hit the broad side of a barn in ROF.


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Posted 04 April 2017 - 06:33 PM

I still need to download the mods needed for BA. Last couple of weekends had me busy on Saturday so I couldn't participate anyhow.

Dan do you find yourself hitting far, short, or just all over the place in ROF?

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Posted 04 April 2017 - 06:42 PM

Once the whole Starforce thing gets resolved with the MiG-21bis, I'd be happy to fly a few sorties with you.


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#6 danudet

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Posted 04 April 2017 - 07:10 PM

In ROF, most of the time its short, then when I try to compensate, thinking its the speed difference between the aircraft, I hit long.


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Posted 04 April 2017 - 08:37 PM

I've flown the 111 in CLoD, and did a bombing mission, hitting my target, but its like only the 2nd time I've ever flown the plane.  The 88 in CLoD, I've flown 4 or 5 times, but I only ever dive bomb with it, so I dont know about its level bombing.  Funny, I can hit targets bombing in the 111, 88, 87 and 110, in CLoD, but cant hit the broad side of a barn in ROF.

 

There a lot of factors that screw up the settings you might use for the bomb sight in RoF, mainly in the 2-seaters.  Depending on the plane, the readings that you're getting from your instruments can't be directly entered into the bomb sight; they have to be interpolated, which can be a complex process.  The Breguet used to have some issue that I can't remember; others have TAS/IAS issues, and altimeters read from sea level I think so the elevation of the target can produce inaccuracies that get worse with higher speeds.

 

The Gotha is kind of an exception to this, since the readings pretty much can be entered directly; also it is slow, stable (in autopilot), and you have the front seat to jump into to help yourself initially line up the target run.  These are attributes that most of the 2-seaters lack in one area or another.  I suppose the HP O-400 is about as good at level bombing as the Gotha, but a big part of that is that it can't really climb higher than 2,000 m, it carries a bigger bomb that a lot of people use to circumvent the need for accuracy, and it's bomb sight is a bit fancier with respect to it's ability to factor in wind direction.

 

All of the bomb sights in RoF are extremely unrealistic compared to the actual sights that they used in WWI, which were far more primitive and ineffective.  The only one that's similar is the transparent wing panel on the Strutter....and it still is able to use the fancy advanced sight that the rest of the planes have.

 

The expectations most pilots have for bombing success in RoF are far different than they actually were in WWI.  An example of a "successful" high-altitude bombing mission in WWI would have been more like, you made it to your intended target, you got over it, and you dropped your bombs: mission success.  The idea that you actually hit something, or at least a specific object you were aiming at, would have involved extreme luck.  If they took away the uber bomb sights and gave you points for just putting your bombs in the general area, it would make more sense, but people would probably consider it a lot less fun too.

 

The low-altitude close-support bombing that we do in RoF is actually the only thing that equates to actual WWI tactics that might have had any real effect (other than psychological), and was done by the Camels and Halberstadt CL series planes in the trench areas.


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#8 Luftritter

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Posted 04 April 2017 - 08:58 PM

I still need to download the mods needed for BA. Last couple of weekends had me busy on Saturday so I couldn't participate anyhow.

 

That and the JGSME program to put the mod(s) in and out at will.

 

If/when you do I hope you will check it thoroughly, which isn't easy even if the test server is up, but there are clues.  One big one is that you'll notice a decreased rate of fire on the Alb D.II, not sure about the Alb D.III; and that you can tell just using the QMB.  If you don't have it right, you'll fly around just fine for about 30-45 minutes or so, then drop from the server with a "can't load object" error that locks up your game, and of course you lose the precious scout you were flying.

 

Hope to see you there soon.


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Posted 04 April 2017 - 09:08 PM

I'm also piss poor at bombing. I can level bomb in ROF an BOx. I can dive bomb in BOS. Its the shallow attack in ROF that I'm bad at. I'm also bad at it in BOx but I read some where in BOx the bombs skip so that is part of my problem.

 

As far as suggetions:

 

ROF at this point in its development stick with sorties or use it as a visual aid for describing ACM's. It would be rare at this point for someone to find your video and decide to check out ROF. So reviews would                                                            be pointless.

 

BOx  I doubt that complaining about this sim will change it. I'm not saying take the high road but don't waste all your energy on the negatives.

 

Now with the sims you do have access to like mentioned before sorties are always good. Also there are videos that will help out your squad and videos that could help out your fellow airman.

 

After picking up a few of WW2 aircraft for DCS recently. I've been messing with my controls. Expanding on your BOS sliders for most of us setting up controls is no big deal, for a noob it could be overwhelming. For me If I may need it at a moments notice especially in combat its on my Warthog HOTAS. If I know I need it but its semi important and I can look away for a split sec its on my DSD flight controller. The rest is on my keyboard.

 

As far as ACM's there is only one good source for that and its Requiem's videos. Problem with those is online things don't always set up your way unless you recruit a squadie to be your guinea pig.

The list for how to is endless though. Formations, combat turns, pincer maneuvers, lag displacement rolls, Loose deuce vs welded wing etc etc etc etc..............



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Posted 05 April 2017 - 02:49 AM

I'm not entirely unwilling to do more tutorials in RoF considering my Nub Tutorial has in excess of 2k views and it's only been up for 9 months whereas my next most popular video by views is "Rock n Rolling Scissors 2" with under 900 views and it is over 3 years old!  Granted a lot can happen in 9 months but considering how many views I have on that video and how many newbie albs streaming water vapor I still see on the multiplayer servers I'd say RoF, although unsupported, is going to be around for a while simply because of it's de facto monopoly of WW1 online sims.  

 

I think I will do a video regarding shallow angle bombing in RoF as it might also help us for FiF.  Stay tuned!



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Posted 05 April 2017 - 03:04 AM

For shallow angle dive ("glide") bombing I will often fire bursts from the guns as an indicator on the way in (though not often in FIF as it draws too much attention). The bombs will generally hit where your rounds do if you don't drop too high. Also, try not to use the rudder to align - it will only throw the bomb wide.


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Posted 05 April 2017 - 11:29 PM

....Also, try not to use the rudder to align - it will only throw the bomb wide.

 

This!   :)


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