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#1 Shadepiece

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Posted 30 June 2018 - 05:16 AM

Hello gents,

This fall, after my recent separation from the military, I hope to embark on a Professional Piloting Degree program with the Community College of Beaver County in Pennsylvania. I am very anxious and excited to get in the air for real!

I know there are some downright fantastic simulators out there for GA aircraft, and I want to hear your guy's suggestions on how to get into it. I really know just about nothing about these GA sims, and could really use a guide to which one is the best for me. Through the school I will be up in Cessna 172R's and S's therefore, I am looking to grab the best 172 sim I can get my hands on.

Disclaimer! I understand that a simulation isn't the real thing. I also understand that simulations can sometimes develope bad habits when you get in the real thing however, I think being familiar with the aircraft that I'll be dealing with is worth it for me as it will really allow me to feel like I'm not just starting completely from scratch.

That said, I want to pick up the BEST sim that is out there, and from what I've read the A2A C 172 is hands down the best you can get with a close second being from Air-foil labs. I also have heard of FSX, Prep3d, and MFS 11 but I really know nothing about any of those sims or how the modules plug into them. I would really appreciate some help on where to begin.

Thank you,
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Posted 30 June 2018 - 08:43 AM

My personal choice is the a2a 172 with prepare3d.  Yes, sims can cause bad habits, but they are great for learning check lists and flow checks.  The a2a also has a walk around, so you can see some of the stuff you'll be looking at when you do the real one.  Outside of just flying around for fun, I primarily use mine to practice instrument stuff, ie: approaches, hold entries, ect.


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Posted 30 June 2018 - 01:31 PM

So do you have to buy prepared3d as the base game, or like DCS you just buy the module?
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Posted 30 June 2018 - 02:08 PM

I have always been intrigued by Prepar3d but never could find a straight, how-to integration guide. If it’s that good, I may pick it up, myself.

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Posted 30 June 2018 - 02:22 PM

Kameraden,

 

Like Klieg said, the P3D release of the Air 2 Air Simulations Accu-Sim C172 Trainer (Academic) is the ticket. I used to fly the F-18 from VRSimulations and it really is the bee's knee's.

 

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Posted 30 June 2018 - 02:40 PM

Awesome, Lip! I'm still trying to sort out if I have to buy a Prepar3d license AND an A2A 172 license, or can you just buy the plane and fly?
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Posted 30 June 2018 - 04:05 PM

If you fly in RL  I have just one thing to say-  check list, check list, check list.

 

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Posted 30 June 2018 - 04:22 PM

Yes you have to buy both.  For A2A I own all 4 GA aircraft, and several of Carenado aircraft, plus the PMDG 737 series.  All three of those companies are superb for their aircraft.    I would also suggest the Opus weather generator (but some people swear by HiFi Active Sky - which is on a 30% off sale right now) for P3d as well (P3d doesn't have one), and eventually the REX scenery sets.  Now everything that I'm throwing at you right now is $1000s, but you dont need all of it right away, just the Sim, the A2A acft and a weather generator.

 

Brit, if you're familiar with FSX, all P3D is is a VERY updated version of that sim.


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Posted 30 June 2018 - 05:15 PM

I've read a lot of good things about the X Plane 11 Reality Expansion Pack for the 172, and for the price point it seems to be very competitive to the A2A.

@Butzell I have heard! The checklists are the real thing and are provided with both the XP11 and P3D 172's. I figure getting some familiarity with them would do me well.
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Posted 01 July 2018 - 05:54 PM

S! Shadepiece,

 

Happy to see that we are almost at the same place, about taking some real pilots training... and looking for the best flight sim's for real training of the 172.

On my part, I tried the Steam FSX edition and I most say that the sim's is taking age, more and more...

I tried some flight from my part of the World, and flying Rise of Flight is more fun, since the world around you is far more better than FSX.

As for the 172 plane, I got also the A2A, and this is a must... most of the plane is functional, so far more realistic than the plane you get in most of the games.

 

Ok now, since Xplane 11 is in special (around 48$) and the sale is finishing this July 5th, I want to know if any of you guys think that we would be better with Prepar3D license (not the one at 1000$ for now) and the A2A 172?

Also, If any of you have time, would be great to setup one night to buy and setup all these programs, planes and weather app... so we could start our flight sims's training!

 

Cheers,

Gen



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Posted 01 July 2018 - 08:19 PM

I read up on X-Plane 11, and I decided to go with the REP (Reality Expansion Pack) for the 172. Both the base sim and the REP are currently on sale, so gor $55 I thought it would be the ideal entry into GA sims. There is a walk-around and pre-flight feature as with the A2A. I would love to get the A2A and the Airfoil labs 172 as well just to compare and get a well rounded feel, but for the sale price on the REP and XP11 I felt it couldn't be beat.
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Posted 01 July 2018 - 09:06 PM

Kameraden,

 

Sorry, no frame of reference with Xplane 11. I only mention P3D because I came from FSX with the Super Hornet. All these extra things you need really drive up the price.

 

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Posted 01 July 2018 - 09:08 PM

A few items:

1 - Go for it!

2 - If you are eyeballing the UAV option, don't. Legit employers couldn't care less. BS fly-by-night operations might but you don't want to get near that crap anyway. 

3 - Just get Microsoft Flight Simulator X. It's dirt cheap at this point and you really won't need any more than that as it will have the G1000 C-172 in it I believe. Use it to get the buttonology down. Find out what the school is flying. THE FLYING ISN'T THE HARD PART. I can't stress that enough. The hard part is the academics and even that's not all that hard. 

4 - Don't stop at a two year degree. Use your entire benefit. I know you're probably under that Forever GI Bill (which I am unbelievable jealous and pissed about - we all should have gotten grandfathered into that). Finish CCBC with a killer GPA and do your 3rd and 4th year at CMU or Pitt WE ARE PENN STATE! If you play your cards right you can CFI at University Park while you finish your AS/BS. Or stay right there and go to Penn State Beaver (not as awesome - only 7 degree options available there). 

4a - The reason I say that is the moment you take your foot off the gas with school the harder it is to get back into it. 


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Posted 01 July 2018 - 09:17 PM

Just to add further enticement:

 

https://aviationcent.../flight-schools


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Posted 01 July 2018 - 11:24 PM

S!

I started flying XPlane11 some month ago because a friend (real pilot) told me about. More info http://www.x-plane.org/


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Posted 02 July 2018 - 01:16 AM

S! Hess, 

 

I'd like to have your input on Xplane 11 and if your think that Xplane 11 is worth versus Prepar3d?
I'm also trying to figure out what would be the best between those two apps!

 

Cheers,

Gen ;)



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Posted 02 July 2018 - 02:32 AM

S!

Gen, I never flew P3D or FSX and have few experience with civil fly sim so I can't compare them with XP but I think there are a lot of youtube comparation videos about. I chose XP because my friend uses and told me it is nice to learn how to fly in comercial and private real world. While he was getting his private pilot's brief he flew XP (C172 Skyhawk) for training purpose, and it works very well, second him.

Any way, the VATSIM (https://www.vatsim.net/) and IVAO (https://www.ivao.aero/) network are compatible with XP11, FSX ands P3D so I think you can go for any with the same results.


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Posted 02 July 2018 - 03:31 AM

Wow Trev, that is incredible advice. I definitely feel so much more comfortable to have you gents to guide me a bit as I get into this. I am really excited for it, and very anxious to get stuck right in. I think this will be a positive outlet for my excitement.

It would also be beneficial to get a jump on the academic side of things as well, but I'm really not sure what all that entails.
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Posted 02 July 2018 - 04:07 AM

Wow Trev, that is incredible advice. I definitely feel so much more comfortable to have you gents to guide me a bit as I get into this. I am really excited for it, and very anxious to get stuck right in. I think this will be a positive outlet for my excitement.

It would also be beneficial to get a jump on the academic side of things as well, but I'm really not sure what all that entails.

1 - Take the math assessment test. If you're weak, you want to know that right away and fix that quick. If you have to take 000 level math to get in the groove, do it, no matter how stupid you feel. Trust me on this one. 

2 - Go on their website and see what the required coursework is for each track you may consider. For instance:

http://www.ccbc.edu/professionalpilot

3 - Apply and get accepted.

4- Get an advising appointment with a faculty adviser in your field of study. IF they assign you an advisor from anthropology or whatever, they're just going to give you the cookbook version. Find someone you can sit down and talk with about what exactly you want to do. 

4- Register for classes. 

5 - Get with the school's filing official (usually someone in admissions/registrar or veteran student affairs or something with a similar name. Usually this is done before the previous semester is over. Not to worry though, you'll just do it when you register for classes. Even if it's a week late the VA will give you the back pay on the BAH. 

6 - get with the others that are ahead of you in the program and get as much inside gouge as you can. You've been out of the world a while, so you know what to do: develop a network of people to study with. 

7 - Health insurance. Don't get the student health insurance through the school it doesn't cover shit. Another 'trust me on this one' type situations. Get over to the local VA CBOC and sign up ASAP. 

 

Question: Are you ready to start in the fall?

 

The academic plan they have has you taking physics 1 in the third semester. I'm assuming it's algebra based and not calculus based so you should be OK if you did well on the college algebra (or higher).

 

At this point I'd just start rambling so any questions you may have, fire away either on here or via PM. 


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Posted 02 July 2018 - 05:26 AM

Trev is giving excellent advise. Especially the part about the actual flying part being the easiest (though, you will question that as you try to master crosswind landings... among other things )

 

My 2 centavos is to look at their maintenance facility (no surprise from me... eh?). I've worked on and have seen many flight school planes. Due to the rigorous schedule and low profit margins things get... let's just say "deferred", sometimes to the point of affecting airworthiness. Though even if the place looks a bit messy, it doesn't mean that it's a bad facility... maintenance is not always pretty. Talk to the mechanics, ask them questions, play dumb. Most good mechanics are happy to enlighten fledgling pilots (and love to flaunt their expertise). We are normally ignored and anyone showing an interest in what we do is generally refreshing, though if they're busy... best to step away. Early morning at the start of the shift is the best time to approach.

 

Talk to the students... especially those close to finishing, ask them if they're satisfied with their CFIs, their aircraft, and their general experience.

 

If you're thinking of aviation as a career, don't think Piloting is the only way. (Trying to build hours you will probably be making less than minimum wage at first and scrambling to find a seat). There are options in Maintenance, Dispatch and Administration. Also, the FAA is bleeding due to the old school retiring. Lots of opportunities and right now is a boom time (not like when I started... I had to take what I could get... slapping Airphones into the backs of the seats in 737s, in the middle of the night... over and over for minimum wage).

 

Still... I often wish I'd continued on with commercial piloting instead of going into maintenance, but I do enjoy what I do. 


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