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#1 Vonrd

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Posted 10 November 2018 - 11:38 PM

For some reason my gunner head position has changes and yt eye no longer stays aligned with the ring and bead sight. This renders me useless as a gunner and I can no longer fly as a gunner (especially irritating due to my current "death" streak in FIF). 

 

I have tried all of the head position changes... "Insert, Home, Pg up... etc" and have saved by pressing F10. I also did a game recover but to no avail. Does anyone know where in the files this might be located? Any other ideas?


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Posted 10 November 2018 - 11:51 PM

Do you use TrackIR?  I've found that if I am using TIR as a pilot, then turn it off when I land/crash, then spawn as a gunner, I can get that problem, or another problem where my head is immovable with the mouse.  Solution in those cases is to restart TIR while in the gunner position, Re-center it, then disable it again.  Probably not your problem, but maybe!


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Posted 11 November 2018 - 01:14 AM

Numpad 5.
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Posted 11 November 2018 - 01:23 AM

Nope... neither ones of those work.

 

Thanks though.


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Posted 11 November 2018 - 01:27 AM

That's what fixes it for me.
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Posted 11 November 2018 - 02:04 AM

That is strange.  Have you tried NOT nestling to gunsight?  Can you shoot accurately using the floating ring?  I noticed that Ricky uses that mode occasionally also, and I tried it, and had success also (mainly advantageous as a Central gunner).  However, that mode does make it easier to hit parts of your own plane, since your gun is shooting from significantly below your direct line of sight.

 

At one point, I tried to alter my "home" (numpad 5) view for gunners;  although it was centered properly, I wanted it to start out at or default to a fully zoomed out (widest FOV).  The normal view is somewhat zoomed in when you first take control, and I don't like that, especially if I'm in a hurry to see an inbound attacker.  In any case, it seemed like it was working at first, but later it just worked as if I had done nothing to it.  So for me, it seems as if I can't change the home view for the gunner by saving a new one.

 

In trying that, I noticed something that I never really thought about too much: when nestled to gunsight, you can move your head around independently from how the gun is slewed.  If NOT nestled, your view is controlled by the mouse, when moving the gun only; you can't move your head separately.

 

Like Ricky, I also have the "home" numpad 5 view mapped to my gunner control 4-way hat on my stick; but my need for it has been mainly to get the gun normalized when it get's "lost" (jammed fully in one direction trying to get to where you're looking when you take control, like a stupid robot butting his head against a wall and getting stuck there).  It brings the gun back to where you're looking, but I've never had the misalignment problem ever.

 

Can you make a video of the problem?  Maybe we'll get some inspiration as to exactly what has changed or happened.

 

One quick thought that screwed with me recently....if you're trying to get something to work that's controlled by the numpad and it won't work, make sure the Num Lock is on (easy to turn off accidentally when hitting 7 or other numbers near it when in a hurry).  If you reboot, it should start with it on, but if it doesn't, you might have to figure out why the keyboard state on boot up has changed.


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Posted 11 November 2018 - 02:15 AM

Yeah I swap back and forth nestled and floating ring. Mostly use nestled sight on entente planes. Defintely use the nestled view when I'm anywhere near hitting my own plane.

But yeah, I know exactly what hes talking about...

Turret, gunsight view: reset vertical view to gunsight LSHIFT+NUMPAD5


Try that. I think that's default.
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Posted 11 November 2018 - 04:21 AM


Turret, gunsight view: reset vertical view to gunsight LSHIFT+NUMPAD5


Try that. I think that's default.

I had tried that also... no joy.


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Posted 11 November 2018 - 06:39 AM

Video here:

 


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Posted 11 November 2018 - 01:08 PM

Shift + T?


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Posted 11 November 2018 - 01:18 PM

Wait, what's the problem? I cant tell from the video what's going on. I thought it was when sometimes the "head" is all cocked to the side when you nestle to the sight. I dont know what you are pointing out in video.
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Posted 11 November 2018 - 02:22 PM

You're not nestled to gun sight when you think you are. When that "floating ring" is there, you're NOT nestled to gun sight, so you ignore the sight on the gun, and use the ring. It's like "shooting from the hip" with a gun sight.

When you took control, you were already nestled to gun sight; it was aligned. So if you hit nestle to gun sight in that condition, it actually toggles it off.

The starting condition of the turret is affected by what you've done previously in that flight. If initially you change crew positions, take control of the turret, and nestle to gun sight, it should just work in that order the first time. Then if you change crew positions back to pilot, and then later in the flight you change crew position back to the gunner, as soon as you're in the turret, you'll already have control, because that was the condition you vacated it in previously. However, the "nestle to gun sight" condition does not "stick", even though you left the turret previously in that condition; even though you'll already have control, you'll need to nestle to gun sight again upon re-entering the turret position.

Odds are you're either releasing control at some point when you're trying to take it, or doing the same thing with the nestle function. Also, if you're using a macro to try to do this stuff, it gets screwed up because of the way it works... so don't try to use one.
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Posted 11 November 2018 - 02:33 PM

Yeah, looked at the video again, and when you got into the turret, you already had control from a previous change in crew positions; and it was not nestled, because that's how it works. Then you tried to take control, but you already had it, so it released control. At that point you said the mouse was not responding; and of course you couldn't nestle to gun sight because you didn't have control at that time.

Don't worry, it is confusing, Hotlead explained it to me a long time ago. :)
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Posted 11 November 2018 - 02:49 PM

Wait, I got it now. You hit T when you already had control, and so released it; but it's unclear from the video whether or not you meant to do that... maybe you were just demonstrating that function was working.

But then you hit shift-T when you didn't have control. Well the game can't do that unless you have control. But it did recognize the "T" part of that sequence, so it again gave you control of the turret... again without being nestled, because that's how it starts. If you had at that point hit shift-T, it would have nestled to gun sight.
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Posted 12 November 2018 - 01:37 AM

Thanks for the responses guys!

 

Mystery solved. Somehow the shift-t command had gotten erased... I swear I didn't do it but stranger things have happened. My bad in not looking closer in the keybindings   :wacko:


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Posted 12 November 2018 - 05:09 AM

Thanks for the responses guys!

 

Mystery solved. Somehow the shift-t command had gotten erased... I swear I didn't do it but stranger things have happened. My bad in not looking closer in the keybindings   :wacko:

 

All of my detective work was for naught?   :lol:   It all seemed so clear.  Sometimes the more obvious the solution seems, the less likely it actually seems to help.

 

Thus the reason I would never tell anybody that I knew what the problem was, back when I was a technician, no matter how "sure" I was about the solution.  Proven wrong too many times.   :rolleyes:


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Posted 12 November 2018 - 06:33 AM

Occam's Razor... the Friar strikes again.


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Posted 12 November 2018 - 06:47 AM

Although this event was frustrating, I just had a reminder of how insignificant these things are... my aunt and uncle lost their house in the Camp fire in Paradise CA. I used to live in Paradise as did my parents... the town no longer exists. California has had more major fire events in the last two years than in recorded history... don't tell me that climate change isn't real. Fire season is now year 'round in California. We are in a fire watch throughout the state including the Oakland hills where I currently live.


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