idefix44 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Version: IL2 DCG 3.48b9 and may be earlier versions Mode: Dogfight Not really a bug but... Each mission, armor columns with the @Future attribute spawn at locations, mainly with the _Supply_Depot attribute. This is a time-related mistake. Furthermore they are part of the combat being able to destroy the columns attacking the location where they spawned... How is't possible? they aren't supposed to exist at this date. Have a good day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowengrin Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 How can I have a good day reading about bugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idefix44 Posted July 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Oh, sorry... A little other one: It seems that in the IL2 DCG 3.48b9 and may be earlier versions, Dogfight mode, the IL-4 (IL_4_IL4) isn't flyable. Now back to Armor. From the armor.dcg file: 4-BT7 1 193901 194406 4-T34_85 01/02... 4-T34_85 1 194403 194612 none 07/07 And: 4-PzIVF2 2 194208 194408 4-PzIVJ 06/064-PzIVJ 2 194306 194504 4-PzVA 06/064-PzVA 2 194307 194612 none 09/09 The campaign date is 06/01/1943 (mm/dd/yyyy). Red side, I plan T34_85 armor columns and I get BT7 columns. Ok. Blue side, I plan PzVA armor columns and I get @Future. Why not PzIVJ or PzIVF2? Have a good day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowengrin Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 I'm as confused about the armor thing as you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowengrin Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 idefix44, see the new beta. If the problems persist, come back here and ruin my day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idefix44 Posted July 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Using il2dcg.exe 3.48b10. Updated class.dcg too. 1- Is IL4-IL4 flyable now? 2- Mission date: 1943 july, the 18th. PzIVJ columns aren't yet upgraded to PzVA. Normal or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowengrin Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 I can remember if I did it, but you can make the IL4 flyable on the Aircraft Class Setting panel.... Columns won't upgrade immediately. In fact, if I remember correctly, they won't upgrade unless they are spawning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idefix44 Posted July 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Sir, I use the new beta (3.48b10). The problems persist so I come back here and ruin your day. The mission date: 25/08/1943. Here the 12_Chief and 15_Chief columns spawn without being upgraded... My columns.dcg file: 12_Chief Armor.4-PzIVJ 2 @Nitra_Supply_Depot $4-PzVA_12 ~L13_Chief Armor.4-PzIVJ 2 @Batovce $4-PzVA_13 ~C14_Chief Armor.4-PzIVJ 2 @Vajka_nad_Zitavou $4-PzVA_14 ~A15_Chief Armor.4-PzIVJ 2 @Sintava_Supply_Depot $4-PzVA_15 ~L16_Chief Armor.2-MarderIII 2 @Vajka_nad_Zitavou $4-Hetzer_16 ~A17_Chief Armor.1-MarderIII 2 @Levice_Supply_Depot $4-Hetzer_17 ~R18_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnC 2 @Dolne_Zelenice $GermanyCarsColumnC_18 ~A19_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnC 2 @Dycka $GermanyCarsColumnC_19 ~A20_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnC 2 @Velke_Kosmalovce $GermanyCarsColumnC_20 ~A21_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnC 2 @Nitra_Supply_Depot $GermanyCarsColumnC_21 ~L22_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnC 2 @NemceG3 $GermanyCarsColumnC_22 ~A23_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnC 2 @Orovnica $GermanyCarsColumnC_23 ~R24_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnC 2 @Cifary $GermanyCarsColumnC_24 ~A25_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnC 2 @Kereskeny $GermanyCarsColumnC_25 ~A26_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnC 2 @Kalna $GermanyCarsColumnC_26 ~A27_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnC 2 @Orovnica $GermanyCarsColumnC_27 ~R28_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnB 2 @Hlohovec $GermanyCarsColumnB_28 ~A29_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnB 2 @Velke_Janikovce $GermanyCarsColumnB_29 ~A30_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnB 2 @Dolne_Krskany $GermanyCarsColumnB_30 ~A31_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnB 2 @Hlohovec $GermanyCarsColumnB_31 ~C32_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnB 2 @Madunice $GermanyCarsColumnB_32 ~A33_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnB 2 @Bojnicky $GermanyCarsColumnB_33 ~A34_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnB 2 @Sintava_Supply_Depot $GermanyCarsColumnB_34 ~L35_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnB 2 @Piestany $GermanyCarsColumnB_35 ~A36_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnB 2 @Nitra_Supply_Depot $GermanyCarsColumnB_36 ~L37_Chief Vehicles.GermanyCarsColumnB 2 @Hlohovec $GermanyCarsColumnB_37 ~C1_Chief Vehicles.OpelBlitzMaultierAA 2 @Nitra_Supply_Depot $OpelBlitzMaultierAA_1 ~L2_Chief Vehicles.OpelBlitzMaultierAA 2 @Bojnicky $OpelBlitzMaultierAA_2 ~A3_Chief Vehicles.OpelBlitzMaultierAA 2 @Velke_Vozokany $OpelBlitzMaultierAA_3 ~A4_Chief Vehicles.OpelBlitzMaultierAA 2 @Neved $OpelBlitzMaultierAA_4 ~R5_Chief Vehicles.OpelBlitzMaultierAA 2 @Nitra_Supply_Depot $OpelBlitzMaultierAA_5 ~L6_Chief Vehicles.DemagFlak 2 @Hostovce $DemagFlak_6 ~C7_Chief Vehicles.DemagFlak 2 @Drahovce $DemagFlak_7 ~A8_Chief Vehicles.DemagFlak 2 @Branc $DemagFlak_8 ~A9_Chief Vehicles.DemagFlak 2 @Branc $DemagFlak_9 ~A10_Chief Vehicles.DemagFlak 2 @Branc_Ferry $DemagFlak_10 ~A52_Chief Armor.4-BT7 1 @Sarluhy $4-T34_85_52 ~A53_Chief Armor.4-BT7 1 @Cermany $4-T34_85_53 ~A54_Chief Armor.4-BT7 1 @Piestany_Supply_Depot $4-T34_85_54 ~L55_Chief Armor.1-BT7 1 @Velke_Kostolany $4-T34_85_55 ~A56_Chief Armor.4-BT7 1 @Trakovice $4-T34_85_56 ~A57_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnD 1 @Topolcany_Supply_Depot $RussiaCarsColumnD_57 ~L58_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnD 1 @Pastuchov $RussiaCarsColumnD_58 ~A59_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnD 1 @Cabradsky_Vrbovok $RussiaCarsColumnD_59 ~A60_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnD 1 @Brunovce $RussiaCarsColumnD_60 ~A61_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnD 1 @Sarluzky $RussiaCarsColumnD_61 ~A62_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnD 1 @Almas $RussiaCarsColumnD_62 ~A63_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnD 1 @Kapince $RussiaCarsColumnD_63 ~A64_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnD 1 @Kereskeny $RussiaCarsColumnD_64 ~C65_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnD 1 @Sarluhy $RussiaCarsColumnD_65 ~A66_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnD 1 @Merasice $RussiaCarsColumnD_66 ~A67_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnD 1 @Selce $RussiaCarsColumnD_67 ~A68_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnD 1 @Badan $RussiaCarsColumnD_68 ~A69_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnB 1 @Ladzany $RussiaCarsColumnB_69 ~R70_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnB 1 @Zavar $RussiaCarsColumnB_70 ~A71_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnB 1 @Mlynarce_Ferry $RussiaCarsColumnB_71 ~R72_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnB 1 @Dubrava $RussiaCarsColumnB_72 ~A73_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnB 1 @Kamanova $RussiaCarsColumnB_73 ~A74_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnB 1 @Beluj $RussiaCarsColumnB_74 ~A75_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnB 1 @Piestany_Supply_Depot $RussiaCarsColumnB_75 ~L76_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnB 1 @Zavar $RussiaCarsColumnB_76 ~A77_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnB 1 @Brunovce $RussiaCarsColumnB_77 ~A78_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnB 1 @Topolcany_Supply_Depot $RussiaCarsColumnB_78 ~L79_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnB 1 @Trakovice $RussiaCarsColumnB_79 ~A80_Chief Vehicles.RussiaCarsColumnB 1 @Hlohovec $RussiaCarsColumnB_80 ~C38_Chief Vehicles.ZIS5_AA 1 @Piestany_Supply_Depot $ZIS5_AA_38 ~L39_Chief Vehicles.ZIS5_AA 1 @Dolne_Rykyncice $ZIS5_AA_39 ~A40_Chief Vehicles.ZIS5_AA 1 @Hontnadas $ZIS5_AA_40 ~A41_Chief Vehicles.ZIS5_AA 1 @Mlynarce_Ferry $ZIS5_AA_41 ~R42_Chief Vehicles.ZIS5_AA 1 @Velke_Chlievany $ZIS5_AA_42 ~A43_Chief Vehicles.ZIS5_AA 1 @Brodany $ZIS5_AA_43 ~A44_Chief Vehicles.MaximeGAZ 1 @Piestany_Supply_Depot $MaximeGAZ_44 ~L45_Chief Vehicles.MaximeGAZ 1 @Topolcany_Supply_Depot $MaximeGAZ_45 ~L46_Chief Vehicles.MaximeGAZ 1 @Sv_Kriz_nad_Hronom $MaximeGAZ_46 ~A47_Chief Vehicles.MaximeGAZ 1 @Horna_Streda $MaximeGAZ_47 ~A48_Chief Vehicles.MaximeGAZ 1 @Piestany $MaximeGAZ_48 ~C49_Chief Vehicles.MaximeGAZ 1 @Obsolovce $MaximeGAZ_49 ~A81_Chief Trains.Germany_CargoTrain/AA 2 @Piestany_Station $Germany_CargoTrain/AA_81 ~A82_Chief Trains.Germany_CargoTrain/AA 2 @Blank $Germany_CargoTrain/AA_82 ~X83_Chief Trains.Germany_CargoTrain/AA 2 @Blank $Germany_CargoTrain/AA_83 ~X84_Chief Trains.USSR_CargoTrain/AA 1 @Krupina_Station $USSR_CargoTrain/AA_84 ~A85_Chief Trains.USSR_CargoTrain/AA 1 @Hontianske_Tesary_Station $USSR_CargoTrain/AA_85 ~A86_Chief Trains.USSR_CargoTrain/AA 1 @Zvolen_Station $USSR_CargoTrain/AA_86 ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowengrin Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Armour won't upgrade unless it's made obsolete so don't look at the new armours start date but the current one's end date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idefix44 Posted July 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Ok. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idefix44 Posted July 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 From IL2 DCG Campaign Info v3.21.doc DCG CAMPAIGN INFORMATION (v3.21) (Compiled by Tailspin) UNIT UPGRADESARMOR UNITS (ARMOR.DCG)DCG will look at the tanks (only the tanks) and determine if they were available at a specific point in time (doesn't matter what campaign or map in the campaign). If you have the tank downgrade option “uncheckedâ€, tanks will be left out of the mission if they not available for the current mission date. If you “check†the tank downgrade option, DCG can substitute tanks with another tank (as per the armor.dcg file) if the current tank is not available for the date. Doing so removes the historical flow of the campaign in way to total ground force power so the Russian could win Smolensk right away in 1941. Both moving and stationary tanks get upgraded. Per Paul, an armor unit will almost always upgrade based on the upgrade tank's start date and not the end date of the current tank type.Try not to change the combination of tank units that I put on each map. I put the combinations of units that you see based on numerous testing battles between the various tank types to see who would win against whom. I believe I have good combination for both game play and frame rates. I think that a lot of documentation about IL2 DCG is wrong... this is disturbing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephris Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Buddy dont forget that Tailspin wrote his Tutorial 6 or 8 yrs ago, by a different DCG version. A lot of stuff changed in the meantime. Basically it is a red line to orientate and to to help you test and learn on your own. Paul gave a working explanation, how armor updates work right now. But maybe you could create an updated DCG Tutorial for newcomers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idefix44 Posted August 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 But maybe you could create an updated DCG Tutorial for newcomers? Yes I could. But I don't want to do it... You know, if I can't use PzVA, I use PzIVJ as well. Have a good day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowengrin Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 As Nephris said, Tailspin wrote that tutorial many years ago. Some things have changed since then (and a few things he got wrong at the time...but not his fault because I missed them when I reviewed the document). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idefix44 Posted August 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 No problem Sir. My mates and me enjoy IL2 DCG, in Dogfight mode, every day. We are playing a full fictionnal campaign, using the Slovakia map, wich is still a work in progress. The only thing I want is to use the IL2 DCG features as well as possible and your answers (Lowengrin and other veteran users) always help me. Thanks to all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idefix44 Posted October 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 It seems that Armor aren't yet upgraded... Mode Dogfight. Mission date is 06/13/1944. Extract from the columns.dcg file: 52_Chief Armor.4-BT7 1 @Levice_Supply_Depot $4-T34_85_52 ~L53_Chief Armor.4-BT7 1 @Skacany $4-T34_85_53 ~A54_Chief Armor.2-BT7 1 @Cifary $4-T34_85_54 ~A55_Chief Armor.4-BT7 1 @Sarluzky $4-T34_85_55 ~A56_Chief Armor.4-BT7 1 @Nove_Mesto_nad_Vahom_Supply_Depot $4-T34_85_56 ~L The 52_Chief column isn't upgraded from 4-BT7 to 4-T34_85 when spawning after destruction. The 56_Chief column isn't upgraded from 4-BT7 to 4-T34_85 when spawning after destruction. From the armor.dcg file: 4-BT7 1 193901 194406 4-T34_85 01/02... 4-T34_85 1 194403 194612 none 07/07 Sorry if I ruin your day again (but holidays are over isn't it ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephris Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 Tried 4-BT7 1 193901 194405 4-T34_85 01/02 instead? Upgrading tanks work fine in our campaigns in complete development chains. So i dont think there is an issue with DCG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idefix44 Posted October 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 Ok. First of all, thanks to Nephris. It works now. I've made the change in the armor.dcg file: 4-BT7 1 193901 194405 4-T34_85 01/02 Here's the debrief after the 06/20/1944 mission Debrief: Mission results:\nOther News:A BT7 unit was destroyed near Telince (F-1).A PzIVJ unit was destroyed near Telince (F-1).A BT7 unit was destroyed near Nitra Power Plant (D-2).A Soviet truck convoy was destroyed near Telince (F-1).An IS2 unit was destroyed near Telince (F-1).A Bf-110G-2 was shot down.A Soviet truck convoy was destroyed near Velky Dur (F-1).A La-5FN was shot down.A La-5FN was shot down.A Bf-110G-2 was shot down.A Bf-110G-2 was shot down.A Bf-110G-2 was shot down.A Soviet truck convoy was destroyed near Velky Dur (F-1).A Soviet truck convoy was destroyed near Velky Dur (F-1).A Soviet truck convoy was destroyed near Velky Dur (F-1).A Ju-87G-1 was shot down.An IL-2 Type 3M was shot down.A La-5 was shot down.A Bf-109G-6/AS was shot down.A Soviet truck convoy was destroyed near Kalna (G-1).A Ju-87G-1 was shot down. And extract from the columns.dcg file: 52_Chief Armor.4-BT7 1 @Velky_Dur $4-T34_85_52 ~A53_Chief Armor.4-BT7 1 @Horne_Chlebany $4-T34_85_53 ~A54_Chief Armor.4-T34_85 1 @Levice_Supply_Depot $4-T34_85_54 ~L55_Chief Armor.4-T34_85 1 @Topolcany_Supply_Depot $4-T34_85_55 ~L56_Chief Armor.4-BT7 1 @Borovce $4-T34_85_56 ~AThe 2 bolded columns respawn upgraded.So it works now. I use the IL2 DCG 3.48b10 version and the stock armor.dcg file, so I think that the problem is with IL2 DCG (somewhere in the package. Exe file or other data file). Change the BT7 line with 194405 for 194406, tried playing your own campaign and backup... Thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowengrin Posted October 10, 2014 Report Share Posted October 10, 2014 I'm guessing that the code that spawns armor at Supply_Depot locations fails to check to see if the armor is available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idefix44 Posted October 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2014 12_Chief Armor.4-PzIVJ 2 @Nitra_Supply_Depot $4-PzVA_12 ~L13_Chief Armor.4-PzIVJ 2 @Batovce $4-PzVA_13 ~C14_Chief Armor.4-PzIVJ 2 @Vajka_nad_Zitavou $4-PzVA_14 ~A15_Chief Armor.4-PzIVJ 2 @Sintava_Supply_Depot $4-PzVA_15 ~L16_Chief Armor.2-MarderIII 2 @Vajka_nad_Zitavou $4-Hetzer_16 ~A17_Chief Armor.1-MarderIII 2 @Levice_Supply_Depot $4-Hetzer_17 ~R What's about PzIVJ? will they upgrade in April 1945? 4-PzIVJ 2 194306 194504 4-PzVA 06/06 Now, from my master: [Chiefs] 12_Chief Armor.4-PzIVJ 2 13_Chief Armor.4-PzIVJ 2 14_Chief Armor.4-PzIVJ 2 15_Chief Armor.4-PzIVJ 2 16_Chief Armor.3-StuGIIIG 2 17_Chief Armor.3-StuGIIIG 2 16_Chief and 17_Chief start (06/01/1943, 1st of June) with 3-Hetzer They upgraded to 3-StuGIIIG, 3-StuGIV and now they're 3-MarderIII. 3-Hetzer 2 194406 194504 3-Jagdpanther 03/063-StuGIIIG 2 194003 194403 3-StuGIV 04/063-StuGIV 2 194401 194504 3-Hetzer 04/073-MarderIII 2 194210 194406 3-StuGIV 03/033-Ferdinand 2 194305 194501 3-Jagdpanther 05/083-Jagdpanther 2 194401 194612 none 06/10 I think that something is strange in Armorland... Have a good day. What the xx/yy are they for at each end of line??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowengrin Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 Good day! The xx/yy are the values they get to destroy troops when on offence and defence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idefix44 Posted October 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Hi Sir, Dogfight mode, IL2 DCG 3.48b11 from armor.dcg: 3-SU-85 1 194309 194501 3-SU-100 05/09from columns.dcg: 201_Chief Armor.3-SU-85 1 @Topolcany_Supply_Depot $3-SU-85_201 ~L202_Chief Armor.1-SU-85 1 @Cifary $3-SU-85_202 ~A203_Chief Armor.3-SU-85 1 @Krupina_Supply_Depot $3-SU-85_203 ~L204_Chief Armor.1-SU-85 1 @Velke_Kosmalovce $3-SU-85_204 ~A Mission date: 01/06/1945 (January the 6th). The SU-85 aren't upgraded to SU-100... Have a good day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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idefix44 Posted October 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 You know, I'm happy when you're happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowengrin Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 If the SU-85s don't upgrade the NEXT time they are respawn, let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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