2 separate questions 1 for IL2 1 for Discord

[Razwald]

I've looked around and I feel the answer will be no for both or a crappy work around that I don't want to deal with.

First question.

IL2 I swapped out my Thrustmaster Warthog throttle for the Viper Throttle. The way the detent works in the Warthog throttle never gave me a reason to look into throttle curves.  I was hoping I could set up the curves so that after the detent would be emergency power.  It seems that the throttle curves don't save to each profile.  Am I doing something wrong? 

My options off the top off my head would be spread sheet of each aircraft and just adjust the curves before I take off.  The other is fly a quick fly off line at sea level and adjust before I actually fly online.  As far as WW1 a 100% top end dead zone gives me 96% in game throttle at the detent.   So that is easy to remember.

 

Now for Discord.

When you assign a button 1 on one controller all controllers that use button 1 set it off.  Has this been fixed since I have last used Discord? Is there a work around? 

[Vonrd]

5 hours ago, Razwald said:

throttle curves

Unfortunately, Il2 doesn't have curves for the throttles like the control surfaces do. The only thing that you can do is fiddle with the high and low dead zones which will move the full throttle in game in relation to the full on your HOTAS. I think that you can make profiles for each plane but you have to remember to enable the profile in the loading window (the one where you select load outs / fuel, etc). I tried a while ago but pretty much gave up and just rely on the technochat.

For Discord, I have no clue. Klai might know.

[Razwald]

6 hours ago, Vonrd said:

I think that you can make profiles for each plane but you have to remember to enable the profile in the loading window (the one where you select load outs / fuel, etc). I tried a while ago but pretty much gave up and just rely on the technochat.

In key mapping there is an option profile assignments. In there you can assign profiles for individual aircraft.  It does load it to your aircraft when you pick that aircraft in quick mission.  How reliable it is I'm unsure because I tend to keep my layouts the same and have no use for it unless it saved throttle curves.

I did all the Luftwaffe aircraft at sea level and wrote them down.  The outliers being the 109 E-7, G-2 and K-4.  The rest were similar to each other.

Which brings me to why I gave this approach up.  The G-2 has two different engine options and the P-51 has two fuel options.  I could chart every aircraft with every option out or I could just chart out my throttle.

100% high dead zone = 96% in game with the last 4% being in the afterburner mode.

0% = 72% in game

52% = 84%

76% = 89%

Knowing these I can figure out the ratio when in flight to adjust where the stop is to keep me out of emergency power.

Or I will keep using the Warthog for IL2,  I have both plugged in for single or multi engine aircraft in DCS so keeping it for IL2 wouldn't be too much of an issue. 

 

[Greif]

On 12/29/2024 at 4:46 AM, Razwald said:

I've looked around and I feel the answer will be no for both or a crappy work around that I don't want to deal with.

First question.

IL2 I swapped out my Thrustmaster Warthog throttle for the Viper Throttle. The way the detent works in the Warthog throttle never gave me a reason to look into throttle curves.  I was hoping I could set up the curves so that after the detent would be emergency power.  It seems that the throttle curves don't save to each profile.  Am I doing something wrong? 

My options off the top off my head would be spread sheet of each aircraft and just adjust the curves before I take off.  The other is fly a quick fly off line at sea level and adjust before I actually fly online.  As far as WW1 a 100% top end dead zone gives me 96% in game throttle at the detent.   So that is easy to remember.

 

Now for Discord.

When you assign a button 1 on one controller all controllers that use button 1 set it off.  Has this been fixed since I have last used Discord? Is there a work around? 

@Razwald this is something of an open wound , but I have done some research into custom mapping per aircraft of throttle axes so that physical throttle settings automatically correspond to the critical throttle thresholds (1: threshold (max) continuous to combat power and 2: threshold value between combat power and emergency power) values in IL-2 per airplane. The idea is that I have 2 detents on my throttle and I would like to make it so that these detents automatically correspond to these 2 critical values without me having to look (and finetune) at the in game manifold pressure, and find these thresholds automatically exclusively by feel for any aircraft, which is very welcome when you play in VR like I do.

In short, I have done some research and experimentation in making this setup work a couple of years ago. I have come close but have not been able to make it work. Since my attempts I have thought about it and I think I now know what the problem was that I encountered each time, though I should insist: this has not been tested. The reason why I haven't tested my end solution hypothesis is because in the mean time, I have developed the habit of controlling my manifold pressure per plane in game by checking the setting on the in game gauges combined with knowing what the settings are (approximately) per aircraft using the cheat sheets in the cockpit (thanks @Vonrd for these btw).

That having said, I still find the idea worth while, if only for the principle, even if in practice, I don't really need it in game anymore: for the moment, I estimate I have 95% of the theoretical results by having learned the different aircraft setting. If you are interested, I can dig up the details of my research to see if we can make it work (no definitive guarantees as the proof of concept was never realised).

Let me know if you're interested.

[Razwald]

@Greif The actual issue that I came across is that my throttle has a roller bearing in the setup.  The bearing hits the wall then I have to manipulate the bearing past the wall.  This movement is about 5% in game movement.  Also there is no stop for the way back into normal power.  So if I'm in formation and the power setting is on the edge it will be difficult for me to stay in formation.  Like you stated not all aircraft are created equal and like you I also fly by the gauges. I figure I would just update my aircraft spread sheet when I hop into a new aircraft.

How ever while I was writing this response I realized the detent stop is a plate with 2 set screws. I could always remove it depending on if the base is plastic or steel.  I would hate to strip out the threads on the base if its plastic.

Thanks

[Klaiber]

On 12/28/2024 at 10:46 PM, Razwald said:

Now for Discord.

When you assign a button 1 on one controller all controllers that use button 1 set it off.  Has this been fixed since I have last used Discord? Is there a work around? 

Off hand, I'm not sure.  What is your HOTAS?

If each of your controllers are separate within Game Controllers within Windows, I'm not sure why it would be doing that.  Unless there is some overarching software you're using to use them all together?

[Razwald]

3 hours ago, Klaiber said:

Off hand, I'm not sure.  What is your HOTAS?

If each of your controllers are separate within Game Controllers within Windows, I'm not sure why it would be doing that.  Unless there is some overarching software you're using to use them all together?

Thrustmaster. Everything is vanilla. No mods, no controller software I don't even use anti virus because my gaming PC is strictly a gaming PC.  I wanted to ensure the fewest resources running in the background for flight sims.

So in the past it was assigned to the Thrustmaster Warthog throttle.  I don't recall which button number it was.  I do recall the number was also a common number I used on my Thrustmaster Stick.  Let's say it was a zoom function. So everytime I would hit the zoom button on my stick it would activate the PTT in Discord. 

Since I was aware of it I refrained from swearing, talking to myself or breathing heavy. For fear of engaging it when I didn't want to.  On your end if you noticed you probably just figured I was a lunatic who didn't know my button mappings.

A few days ago looking into this I found an old post from 2020 I think it was.  Don't recall if it was a discord forum or flight sim forum but the poster wanted people to upvote to discord the ability to have controller ID's when assigning buttons or Discord wasn't going to bother with it.  So it would seem I wasn't the only one who has this issue.

[Klaiber]

On 12/31/2024 at 6:20 AM, Razwald said:

Thrustmaster. Everything is vanilla. No mods, no controller software I don't even use anti virus because my gaming PC is strictly a gaming PC.  I wanted to ensure the fewest resources running in the background for flight sims.

So in the past it was assigned to the Thrustmaster Warthog throttle.  I don't recall which button number it was.  I do recall the number was also a common number I used on my Thrustmaster Stick.  Let's say it was a zoom function. So everytime I would hit the zoom button on my stick it would activate the PTT in Discord. 

Since I was aware of it I refrained from swearing, talking to myself or breathing heavy. For fear of engaging it when I didn't want to.  On your end if you noticed you probably just figured I was a lunatic who didn't know my button mappings.

A few days ago looking into this I found an old post from 2020 I think it was.  Don't recall if it was a discord forum or flight sim forum but the poster wanted people to upvote to discord the ability to have controller ID's when assigning buttons or Discord wasn't going to bother with it.  So it would seem I wasn't the only one who has this issue.

The only thing I can think of is to firstly make sure Discord is Run as Administrator.  That usually solves a lot of Discord problems.

And, I did find this: https://forum.dcs.world/topic/211161-multiple-keys-ptt-for-discord/

So, also try setting the controller you wish to use as the priority in Windows.  In the example from the thread, they mention the Warthog Throttle.

Not sure if this helps.  Or at least gives you an avenue to explore.

[Razwald]

54 minutes ago, Klaiber said:

The only thing I can think of is to firstly make sure Discord is Run as Administrator.  That usually solves a lot of Discord problems.

So, also try setting the controller you wish to use as the priority in Windows.

I did both of these at the same time. Problem solved.  I also loaded SRS to make sure that wasn't adding to the problem and it seems fine.

[Klaiber]

23 hours ago, Razwald said:

I did both of these at the same time. Problem solved.  I also loaded SRS to make sure that wasn't adding to the problem and it seems fine.

That's great!  I'm so glad that you were able to fix it.