DCS Skin Submission

Klaiber · September 10, 2023

On 9/9/2023 at 4:42 PM, Vonrd said:

Here's Snaggle's Dora

v_!_JG1_FW-190D9_Snaggle.zip 45.4 MB · 2 downloads

Thanks! Exit stage left...

Vonrd · September 21, 2023

A-20G skin (AI only).

Link to post in DCS forum: https://forum.dcs.world/topic/334132-a-20g-skins/

Klaiber · September 24, 2023

On 9/21/2023 at 4:58 PM, Vonrd said:

A-20G skin (AI only).

Link to post in DCS forum: https://forum.dcs.world/topic/334132-a-20g-skins/

USAF_Little Joe_New Guinea.zip 48.7 MB · 1 download

Thanks. Looks great.

Vonrd · September 27, 2023

Another A-20G:

https://forum.dcs.world/topic/334132-a-20g-skins-update/#comment-5296810

Klaiber · September 28, 2023

20 hours ago, Vonrd said:

Another A-20G:

https://forum.dcs.world/topic/334132-a-20g-skins-update/#comment-5296810

Looks great, Von!

For anyone interested, here is the link to download: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3333089/

Stuka · September 29, 2023

S! guys!

v_!_JG1_Bf109K-4_Stuka.zip v_!_JG1_FW-190D9_Stuka.zip

Klaiber · September 30, 2023

4 hours ago, Stuka said:

S! guys!

v_!_JG1_Bf109K-4_Stuka.zip 16.16 MB · 1 download v_!_JG1_FW-190D9_Stuka.zip 19.99 MB · 1 download

Thanks Stuka! They look great!

Vonrd · September 30, 2023

6 hours ago, Stuka said:

S! guys!

Nice!

Vonrd · October 11, 2023

A-20G Havoc ser. no.43-9521 nicknamednamed "LITTLE CHIEF" of the 321st BS, 90th BG "Jolly Rogers", New Guinea. Nicknamed "Little Chief" with the nose art of a woman wearing a leather jacket with a 90th Bomb Group patch, her legs resting on boxes stenciled "Gin Cairns" and her head on a parachute with "521" below her arm. This A-20 was used as a "fat cat" for flight from New Guinea to Australia for fresh food and alcohol, essentially a beer run hack.
Why Little Chief?
The B 24 in the same bomber group, was Big Chief.

I have included a generic version without the Little Chief nose art. Not historically correct since the Jolly Rogers were pretty much a B-24 squadron but who doesn't like a shiny, bare aluminum aircraft.

Link: TBD

Vonrd · October 11, 2023

Douglas A-20G Boston, A28-52 DU-C of No 22 Sqn., RAAF This A-20G was delivered in June 1944 and served with the Squadron until it was badly damaged at Morotai on 22 November 1944.
It was subsequently written off and reduced to spares. Note the larger diameter fuselage roundel proportions.
This A-20G was possibly painted in the field with the original Olive Drab being painted over with RAAF Foliage Green whilst still retaining its Neutral Gray undersides.

I have included a generic version with selectable Bort letters.

Link: TBD

Vonrd · October 11, 2023

Douglas A-20G Boston, A28-67 DU-V of No 22 Sqn., RAAF This A-20G was delivered in August 1944 and served with the Squadron until it was damaged in an air raid in October 1944 and was later reduced to components.
Standard Olive Drab upper surfaces over Neutral Gray undersides. Note heavy weathering and darker shade of Olive Drab tail fin with Medium Green splotching on the rudder.

I have included a generic version with selectable Bort letters.

Link: TBD

JayMore · October 11, 2023

Great job @Vonrd!

Love the finish on "Little Chief"

Shouldn't our Mig-21 be the same or were they painted gray IRL?

Vonrd · October 11, 2023

6 hours ago, JayMore said:

Shouldn't our Mig-21 be the same or were they painted gray IRL?

Certainly none of the DDR Fishbeds were bare metal and I'm pretty sure that most other countries were not bare aluminum either. Plastic modelers are good at research. From Britmodeler.com:

From Jyrki Laukkanen's book MiG-21 about MiG-21F-13 painting:

General exterior finish:

base coat AK-113F clear dope
top coat AC-16 clear dope with 7% PAK-4 aluminium powder added

High temperature resistant paint KO-814 on part of rear fuselage and other relevant areas.

Finish over milled skin panels/plates:

primer FL-086
mid coat clear dope 170A with 10% PAK-4 aluminium powder added
top coat AC-16 dope (= overall)

Radome and other glass fiber covers green EP-225 epoxy paint.

I interpret the darker areas on the MiG-21F photo posted by Ray_W to be milled surfaces (load carrying areas with stronger/thicker alloy).

FL-086 is high temperature resisting phenolformaldehyde primer of non-standardized yellow colour according this: https://chameleon.ru/special-coatings/heat-resistant-materials/gruntovka-fl-086.html BTW I have painted thin layer of yellow strontium chromate primer on bare (= not alclad) al7075 aluminium alloy and the resulting colour was oliveish green!

This site says enamel KO-814 is prepared by mixing 100 parts of KO-85 varnish and 5 parts of aluminum powder: https://termika21.ru/product/termostoykie-emali/ko-814.html

I think with 5% al powder the enamel is translucent.

The "uniform grey" finishing system:

During MiG-21F overhauls if corrosion status so dictated the plane was treated overall with uniform tone finish of:

primer KF-030
clear dope 170A 10% PAK-4 aluminium powder added
top coat AC-16
High temperature areas KO-814 paint as usual

Laukkanen lists "uniform" tone has been on: MG-48, -61, -63, -65, -79, -91 and -92.

So no natural metal for MiG-21F. These were Soviet finishes!

Here's the link to that thread:

https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235109579-soviet-cold-war-era-aircraft-bare-aluminium-finishes/#comment-4390524

The USAF captured Fishbed from the "Have Doughnut" program looks to be bare metal. They may have stripped all paint as part of the examination process and to apply US markings. See photo.

Most of the DDR ones were green camo but I did find this example of one apparently painted with the aluminum powder paint. East German Air Force Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21F-13 on display in the Military History Museum in Berlin, Gatow. Berlin, Germany March 24, 2013. The other photo.

JayMore · October 11, 2023

I've learned not to trust static display and/or reproductions. They are often painted rater than polish, simply because it's an easier job to do and maintain. P-47D Nellie B is a great example of that. But if DDR had only green /camo jets, that another story completely.

Klaiber · October 13, 2023

On 10/11/2023 at 1:00 AM, Vonrd said:

A-20G Havoc ser. no.43-9521 nicknamednamed "LITTLE CHIEF" of the 321st BS, 90th BG "Jolly Rogers", New Guinea. Nicknamed "Little Chief" with the nose art of a woman wearing a leather jacket with a 90th Bomb Group patch, her legs resting on boxes stenciled "Gin Cairns" and her head on a parachute with "521" below her arm. This A-20 was used as a "fat cat" for flight from New Guinea to Australia for fresh food and alcohol, essentially a beer run hack.
Why Little Chief?
The B 24 in the same bomber group, was Big Chief.

I have included a generic version without the Little Chief nose art. Not historically correct since the Jolly Rogers were pretty much a B-24 squadron but who doesn't like a shiny, bare aluminum aircraft.

Link: TBD

On 10/11/2023 at 1:01 AM, Vonrd said:

Douglas A-20G Boston, A28-52 DU-C of No 22 Sqn., RAAF This A-20G was delivered in June 1944 and served with the Squadron until it was badly damaged at Morotai on 22 November 1944.
It was subsequently written off and reduced to spares. Note the larger diameter fuselage roundel proportions.
This A-20G was possibly painted in the field with the original Olive Drab being painted over with RAAF Foliage Green whilst still retaining its Neutral Gray undersides.

I have included a generic version with selectable Bort letters.

Link: TBD

On 10/11/2023 at 1:02 AM, Vonrd said:

Douglas A-20G Boston, A28-67 DU-V of No 22 Sqn., RAAF This A-20G was delivered in August 1944 and served with the Squadron until it was damaged in an air raid in October 1944 and was later reduced to components.
Standard Olive Drab upper surfaces over Neutral Gray undersides. Note heavy weathering and darker shade of Olive Drab tail fin with Medium Green splotching on the rudder.

I have included a generic version with selectable Bort letters.

Link: TBD

For anyone interested in getting the skins in advance of the paint pack update, here are the links:

USAF 321st BS 90th BG Little Chief: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3333233/
RAAF No 28 Sqn DU C : https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3333234/
RAAF No 28 Sqn DU V: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3333235/

Klaiber · October 13, 2023

On 10/11/2023 at 3:17 PM, Vonrd said:

Most of the DDR ones were green camo but I did find this example of one apparently painted with the aluminum powder paint. East German Air Force Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21F-13 on display in the Military History Museum in Berlin, Gatow. Berlin, Germany March 24, 2013. The other photo.

On 10/11/2023 at 5:26 PM, JayMore said:

But if DDR had only green /camo jets, that another story completely.

The first and second generation MiG-21s of the LSK, throughout the 1960s into the early 1970s, were finished in gray. This is the Fishbed-C (first generation) to the Fishbed-D / Fishbed-E / FIshbed-F / Fishbed-G (second and third generations).

In 1972, they started getting camouflaged aircraft with the Fishbed-J (MiG-21MF).

From this website: https://www.key.aero/article/east-german-mig-21s-cold-war-fishbeds

Quote

The LSK received its first ’MF in 1972 from the Moscow Aircraft Factory and these were the first to be delivered in camouflage paint. The last 12 aircraft came from the Gorky aircraft factory in 1975 with an unusual grey-blue camouflage and mysteriously sporting Vietnamese national insignia. These aircraft were assembled to a higher standard and incorporated some minor changes. The variant was called the MiG-21MF75.

Some pictures and another interesting article:

https://acesflyinghigh.wordpress.com/2015/11/08/combat-jets-of-the-east-german-air-force-1956-to-1969-the-early-days/

Klaiber · October 13, 2023

Here is the second half of the Aces Flying High article:

https://acesflyinghigh.wordpress.com/2015/11/17/combat-jets-of-the-east-german-air-force-1970-to-1987-the-modernization/

Vonrd · October 14, 2023

On 10/12/2023 at 8:52 PM, Klaiber said:

For anyone interested in getting the skins in advance of the paint pack update

I'm currently focused on historical skins that don't necessarily have anything to do with JG1 and I'm thinking that these historical skins have no need to be in the skinpack (with the possible exception of the Walter Oesau skin https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3320924/). There is really no need to have JG1 members DL these historical skins unless they want to. Our squadron skins should be the only "mandatory" skins since they are for inter squad identification. Any historical should be announced in a separate thread here:

@Klaiber, Should we pare down the current DCS skinpack? I would be happy to revise it.

Klaiber · October 14, 2023

18 hours ago, Vonrd said:

I'm currently focused on historical skins that don't necessarily have anything to do with JG1 and I'm thinking that these historical skins have no need to be in the skinpack (with the possible exception of the Walter Oesau skin https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3320924/). There is really no need to have JG1 members DL these historical skins unless they want to. Our squadron skins should be the only "mandatory" skins since they are for inter squad identification. Any historical should be announced in a separate thread here:

@Klaiber, Should we pare down the current DCS skinpack? I would be happy to revise it.

Splitting up/paring down the paint pack for DCS was already something that I was working on.

Currently, I'm thinking of a historical pack, a fictional pack, and a WW2 pack.

Klaiber · October 14, 2023

26 minutes ago, Klaiber said:

Splitting up/paring down the paint pack for DCS was already something that I was working on.

Currently, I'm thinking of a historical pack, a fictional pack, and a WW2 pack.

@Vonrd - actually, I'm now thinking of a main pack and a WW2 pack. It's too much work to separate out the historical skins from the fantasy skins. Especially when we actively use some of the fantasy skins.

Vonrd · October 17, 2023

On 10/14/2023 at 4:21 PM, Klaiber said:

@Vonrd - actually, I'm now thinking of a main pack and a WW2 pack. It's too much work to separate out the historical skins from the fantasy skins. Especially when we actively use some of the fantasy skins.

Rgr. Sounds good to me. If you want any help regarding the paint packs, please let me know. I'm available.