Butzzell Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 (edited) S! All Leaves are dropping. Days are shorter. There is a chill in the air. Bullets are flying. Bombs are dropping. It must be Flanders in Flames Fall Campaign 2019. All the particulars are posted under FiF tournament information. Of special note will be the map for this series. If you have flown Jasta 5's excellent series "Bloody April" you will recognize it as the northern half of that area. We have not used this area for an FiF. We use it now because of the great variety of rivers, roads and rail roads. The plane set will be early: N-17, N-17 GB, Strutter, RE8, Halb D.II, Halb Cl2 and Roland Cl2. We will have a Dry Run on 5, October, 2019 at the usual time. Edited September 26, 2019 by Butzzell GenMarkof, Snaggle, Klaiber and 6 others 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butzzell Posted October 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 S! ALL, Practice server is up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J2_Trupobaw Posted October 7, 2019 Report Share Posted October 7, 2019 Just a thought, but a big one:N17 is bit overpowered against Halb D.II, but the nerfed Tripehound would be much closer match. We didn't see much Triplane action since 2014 (duh!) and I think a Tripe vs Halb FiF will be opportunity to fly something new and unexplored in RoF (and more balanced than N.17 vs D.II).. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRFC Hawkeye Posted October 7, 2019 Report Share Posted October 7, 2019 50 minutes ago, J2_Trupobaw said: N17 is bit overpowered against Halb D.II By the way you worded that, it is unclear whether you mean that the N17 has too much power compared to the Halb D.II, or that you think it is overwhelmed by the Halb D.II's performance. I am guessing that you mean the latter? The N17 is quite a bit faster than the Halb, and climbs quite a bit better, too. It also takes a lot of damage without any reduction in performance. The British version is available if you want a faster rate of fire and the ability to shoot from below. The N17 is certainly harder to fly....but once you master it can beat a Halb one on one every time. The rest is determined by the teamwork and tactics of each team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeFreest Larner Posted October 7, 2019 Report Share Posted October 7, 2019 N17 is very hard to fly. The adverse yaw is seriously nasty in that plane - not very many pilots at all can fly it well. I'm much more worried about Rolands with twin rear guns. They'll slaughter everything. Either way, looking forwards to it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRFC Hawkeye Posted October 7, 2019 Report Share Posted October 7, 2019 The N17 is the only scout in the current matchup that can actually keep pace with the 2-seaters it is up against; it's speed and that of it's opponent 2-seaters is for all intents and purposes the same (without bombs on), depending on what version of N17 you fly (the British version is 2 Kph slower at 1,000 m than the synchronized gun versions). The Halb is 17 -23 Kph slower than it's 2-seater opponents at that same altitude. I actually feel kinda sorry for the Central side in that respect. Don't forget how points are scored in FiF. I find that the Tripehound is almost, if not just as difficult to fly as the N17. They both have terrible precession and even full left rudder is often inadequate to keep the nose down in tight left turns. However, it makes some difference how you have the trim wheel set in the Tripe. In this iteration of FiF, the 2-seaters ARE by far the most dangerous. You could get into any of them and just fly them as scouts, Brisfit-style....if they're not loaded down with bombs or excess fuel, and you have some spare ones to use. Personally, I might just wave at them as they go by unless I have a LOT of friends to help who are in the correct position to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeFreest Larner Posted October 7, 2019 Report Share Posted October 7, 2019 I feel just as bad for Halbs against twin-gun Sopwiths as I do for N17s against twin-gun Rolands! It's one thing to catch it, but then you have to avoid being blasted in the face Not a fan of the Tripehound or the N17, but I find the 17 much harder. If it decides to snap you out of that left turn then you completely lose control for a few precious seconds...not to mention that sometimes it'll refuse to go left in the first place! The British one is even worse IMO. They're definitely both 'specialist' planes. The Halb isn't the easiest little scout to fly either when it decides to wingtip stall. Should make for some interesting match-ups! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRFC Hawkeye Posted October 7, 2019 Report Share Posted October 7, 2019 At this point I'll say nothing about response curves DeFreest Larner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butzzell Posted October 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 S! All Hostilities begin this Saturday, 12, October 2019 at 2 pm Eastern USA time. Blue team is flying Central and Red team is Entente, Good luck to all ! GenMarkof, Snaggle, Klaiber and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmerlistDavjack Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 I with Larner on hating the N17 even with Luft's unspoken...things. I plan on showing up this weekend. It's been awhile! I'm caught in the California power outage but I have a generator that runs off my big propane tank and I can bundle gaming time in with refrigerator time. GenMarkof 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vonrd Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 I'm going to miss it this week. Going to see my mom for her 94th birthday. Klaiber, J5_Hotlead, Heinrich and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J5_Hotlead Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 I too will be unable to make it this week, but I eagerly anticipate flying FiF next week. It will be my first time back in FiF after a year and a half, so yeah...super looking forward to it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etzel Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 Will try to make it tomorrow, although as usually probably ~1 hour late... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinrich Posted October 12, 2019 Report Share Posted October 12, 2019 If the morphine pill doesn't play tricks I'm present. Maybe I could fly with J6 in a N17 (must start somewhere). But when needed elsewhere I'm fine with that, but please not a Spy mission with the Strutt, an "Elbe" pilot had a greater chance on return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butzzell Posted October 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 S! All Brief update. A target subtitle was found to have the correct name but wrong location. Corrected. The "Bridge Killed" message was being displayed during the first target list update after the flare. This was thought to be a subtitle error. Nope. A counter error. Nope. A display array error. Nope. A bad truck.Nope. A bad bridge? Yup. The AAA truck was not going up on the bridge. It was going through the bridge and into the river where it died and gave a "Killed" message to the counter. The bridge had to be changed for a different model. Heinrich, loopy and GenMarkof 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butzzell Posted October 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2019 S! All Yes another subtitle error now fixed. Major problem. Invisible object was found at Prison 1 on the Entente side. We saw these on the England side of the Channel map. GameCock, sent me pictures of location. Normally I place a water tower there to show people where it is. This time I removed the Aerodrome structures and replaced it with a different model. It worked ! Invisible object gone. The invisible object is some sort of problem with the model and skin of one of the aerodrome hangar models/skins. Klaiber, Snaggle and Heinrich 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butzzell Posted November 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 S! All Congratz to Blue team in a hard fought win for Phase A. We had some great fights. It was a real nail biter right down to the last few minutes. Next week starts Phase B. Blue team is Central, Red team is Entente and we get new planes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butzzell Posted November 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 S! Practice server is up and will stay up all week. GenMarkof 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butzzell Posted November 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 S! All Not sure what happened with the massive game server connection lost event. The server did not go down and was not affected. There was a lot of confusion. People were caught off guard about what to do. FiF Administrators are looking things over and will have some decision in a few days. Definition of few: More than 1, less than 6. Snaggle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butzzell Posted November 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2019 S! All Admins have looked over the rules and the rules say the score stands as is. The result is that the admins have thrown out the rules and rightly so. Session 1 has been scrubbed from the records. Session 1 will be re-flown on the next regular scheduled time. The massive disco due to unknown causes was too much to to accept. The event is designed around fair play. The missions on each side are not the same and many missions require special planes. The loss of these planes and the time limit of the session resulted in a completely unacceptable situation. Special note: Any targets destroyed or missions completed after the "Hostilities are over" subtitle are not counted towards the score. This keeps the time available to complete missions the same for both teams. GenMarkof, Klaiber, Vonrd and 3 others 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J5_Gamecock Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 Question. Since the 11/9 mission is to be reflown, will we be using the odd or even map for the session on 11/16? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butzzell Posted November 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2019 S! All The Admins have not been able to find why we have the disconnect from game server. The game server has not changed. The server files have not changed. We are running the same mission we did in phase A. Only the planes and some subtitles have been changed. We run the server for FC Thursday night flyin. We often have thirty or more people online and we do not see the disconnect error. Plan moving forward: November 23 at the usual time we will run Session 2. Red team is Entente, Blue team is Central. At least targets will be in new places. IF, big IF this session is OK, then we will try session 3 on December 7 at the usual time. IF this session is OK, then we will use the scores from these two sessions and that will be the end of the Fall Campaign. Should the November 23 have the disconnect problem we will end the fall campaign at that time. Sorry for the problems. JG1_Butzzell_J11 J5_Gamecock, J5_Hotlead, Klaiber and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kliegmann Posted November 19, 2019 Report Share Posted November 19, 2019 Well if Nov 23rd goes OK, then things mess up on Dec 7, it will truly be a "Date which will live in infamy" J5_Hotlead, Vonrd, J5_Gamecock and 7 others 3 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRFC Hawkeye Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 EVEN map tomorrow (11/23) ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butzzell Posted November 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2019 S! All We had a mission with no big disco dump. We still do not know what caused the discos. We will run the same mission on December 7. Even map. Blue team will be Entente and Red team will be Central. This will be the final mission for this campaign. Sorry we have had these problems. FiF is in transition to Flying Circus. For those that want to see a preview, after the Dec 7th session of FiF the server will be changed over to an FiF Flying Circus mission. It will take about 10 minutes to change it over. More about this next week. Snaggle, Heinrich, J5_Hotlead and 4 others 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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